Former Spokane, Wash. NAACP chief Rachel Dolezal made her first major television appearance Tuesday since revelations that she had lied to colleagues about being Black. Dolezal, referring to her ethnicity as a “complexity of my identity,” tells Matt Lauer that she considers herself to be Black, even though she is “visually” caucasian.

Dolezal says she began identifying as Black as early as five years old, telling Lauer, “I was drawing self-portraits with the brown crayon instead of the peach crayon.”