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Q&A with Celeste Watkins-Hayes author of Remaking a Life: How Women Living with HIV/AIDS Confront Inequality

Starting in 2005, Northwestern professor Celeste Watkins-Hayes spent a decade documenting the lives of over 100 women living with HIV/AIDS in Chicago and beyond. She finds something unexpected—not despair, but a story of the profound power of personal and political transformation, all of which she chronicles in her important new book REMAKING A LIFE: HOW WOMEN LIVING WITH HIV/AIDS CONFRONT INEQUALITY.

Remaking a Life How Women Living with HIV/AIDS Confront Inequality

In this trenchant ethnography of the HIV/AIDS epidemic in America, Northwestern professor, Celeste Watkins-Hayes, introduces us to women from a variety of backgrounds, but unequivocally demonstrates that HIV/AIDS is an epidemic fueled by inequality. Many of the women she chronicles were dealing with a panoply of crushing obstacles before their diagnoses: poverty, drug addiction, sex work, and a lack of social services, all of which make the transmission of HIV more likely.  

Once these women receive medical attention, mental health services, access to housing, and job training, they are able not only to live with the disease, but to tap into their reservoirs of resolve to thrive despite it. The book grapples with the perverse irony that it takes an HIV diagnosis for these women to gain access to the help they always needed, and in the process, offers a scathing indictment of our now-tattered social safety net that leaves so many to fend for themselves.

Q&A WITH CELESTE WATKINS-HAYES

Q. You interviewed over 100 women living with HIV/AIDS. When did you realize that this book would have a great sense of hope and redemption?

Sometimes the best research uncovers something surprising and unexpected. Talking with women living with HIV/AIDS for more than a decade, I heard many stories about trauma and struggle, perhaps not surprising given the devastation wrought by the epidemic and the dynamics that fuel it. But I also heard stories of transformation. Women in my research talked about following a trajectory that began with dying from HIV/AIDS and took them to living with and even thriving despite HIV. I became deeply curious as more and more women’s stories followed this pattern.

My book does not downplay or romanticize the devastation of the epidemic or the other struggles women are facing. Rather, it’s about how women take those circumstances and reinvent themselves. And in the process, they develop new tools and strategies to cope with and confront what I call the injuries of inequality. How do people gather the courage to stand up to forces that can destroy them, and how do they make radical changes in their lives in the process? How do people do this with limited resources or with a highly stigmatizing condition? Those are the questions that I explore in the book.

What I came to realize is that this experience applies not only to women living with HIV/AIDS but to individuals confronting a variety of challenges produced by the inequalities that operate in our lives.

Q. Is there an individual woman you spoke with whose experience is most representative of the book’s broader themes?

There are so many women with fascinating and diverse stories in the book that it’s hard to point to one. I talked to women of significant economic resources who never imagined that their lives would take this turn and to women who have been economically and socially marginalized all of their lives who told me that the HIV diagnosis was not the worst thing that’s ever happened to them. The women who probably intrigued me the most were those who had such radical life changes that it was as though they had two lives. I’m thinking of HIV/AIDS activist Gina Brown who describes her history of childhood sexual trauma, drug addiction and living on the streets of New Orleans. Gina is now one of the most inspiring and effective HIV/AIDS activists in the country. She is a community organizer, earned a masters degree in social work, and served on the President’s Advisory Council on HIV/AIDS during the Obama administration. In the HIV/AIDS community, Gina and many others found an unexpected place to create their lives anew.

Q. You discuss the difference between “dying from,” “living with” and “thriving despite.” Can you elaborate on the differences?

Dying from is a state of extreme distress. What I discovered is that the women I interviewed were dying not just from the health condition that is HIV/AIDS but also from the shame, stigma, and trauma. Many were also dying from addiction, early sexual abuse, untreated mental health issues, and economic and social conditions like homelessness and poverty.

Living with is a place whereby women are gathering the tools to live with HIV as a chronic illness rather than as a death sentence. It’s about managing their health and addressing the psychological hurdles like shame and social isolation that can accompany an HIV diagnosis. But it is also about developing new strategies to navigate the economic and social inequality that may have put women more at risk for HIV acquisition in the first place. It’s about finding stable housing, income, and social support so that there are fewer ongoing crises that can distract from taking care of one’s health.

Thriving despite takes place when women take a leadership role in their communities, building strong families, and significantly improving their physical and mental health. It happens when they become politically and civically engaged, speak out about HIV, health care access, and educate those around them. Thriving despite is about turning those past hurts, struggles, and traumas into fuel to make change.

Q. What role did activism and private charities play in providing a safety net for these women once they got sick? What do private charities do that government can’t or fails to do?

The extraordinary conversion of HIV/AIDS from an inevitable death sentence to a manageable chronic illness in well-resourced countries like the United States is one of the most noteworthy medical achievements of the past 35 years, as well as a significant social achievement. This mobilization of activists brought about an extensive HIV/AIDS safety net offering four vital things: access to healthcare, modest economic assistance, extensive social support, and a path to political and civic engagement. The HIV safety net functions through a three-sector partnership (public, private, and nonprofit). Private charities can get to know communities on the ground and often have more flexibility to experiment with innovative programs. From small community-based organizations to large national and international entities, they are critical partners in HIV/AIDS work.

Q. If you could give politicians one takeaway from the book what would it be?

If the policy goal of ending the HIV epidemic by 2030 is going to be reached, we must ensure that the HIV safety net is an integral part of the strategy. It is that safety net – the health care services, social support services, drug and alcohol rehabilitation services, and other assistance — that provides the crucial support system for people living with HIV to thrive. People will not utilize the very effective medications if they are derailed by stigma, mental health challenges, addiction, or economic instability. The solution to ending the epidemic is not just biomedical, it’s also social.

We have ample evidence demonstrating that services funded by the Ryan White Care Act, the Housing Opportunities for People Living with HIV/AIDS Program, and other programs in the HIV safety net are highly effective. We have to continue to support them.
Q. Can you explain how “successful transformative projects” these women enact often include community organizing and activism? Why is this such an important component to move into “thriving despite”?

Community organizing and activism enjoys a long history in the HIV/AIDS epidemic. It’s about using the power of storytelling to shape attitudes, behaviors, and policies. Women realize that they have a voice and something to contribute. A backstory of shame and struggle can become a testament to the ability that we all possess to remake our lives in the wake of life’s traumas. Civic and political engagement is about using gifts and talents that may have been previously ignored in the service of the greater good. People living with HIV have opportunities to teach, to break down barriers, to confront stigma, and to help us end this epidemic. They have the potential to make major contributions to our world because that community has already done so time and time again. And they inspire us to think about what other hidden and underutilized voices are out there.

Q. How does REMAKING A LIFE fit into the discussion of our American healthcare system and the debates around social services today?
The HIV system of care offers some valuable lessons. The Ryan White Care Act passed with bipartisan support in 1990 and it still continues to enjoy bipartisan support. Republican and Democratic presidents have made important contributions to the HIV safety net in the US and abroad. In the wake of our opioid crisis, Senator Elizabeth Warren and Congressman Elijah Cummings introduced legislation to help communities grappling with opioid epidemics that was modeled off the Ryan White Care Act. President Trump has now declared that he would like to see an end to the epidemic in the US by the year 2030.

That doesn’t mean that politicians haven’t put their own ideological spin on HIV/AIDS policy, sometimes in ways that were contrary to the scientific evidence. But my hope is that this issue continues to have bipartisan support focused on ending the epidemic. My hope is that we can think of the broader healthcare system in similar ways.

In the book, I grapple with the unfortunate irony of my analysis and its policy implications. Many women who were struggling with poverty and other serious issues did not receive assistance under after their HIV diagnosis. That says that our societal safety net has been perversely shaped to intervene only when people are already deeply injured or assumed to pose a threat to public health. The fire had to be raging before we installed the fire extinguisher.

So I also hope that we challenge the idea that social services and safety nets are inherently problematic. Because of political rhetoric, we’ve been conditioned to believe that every form of assistance is a handout that serves as a hammock rather than a ladder. I’ve seen in my research that the opposite is often true. The services provided through the HIV safety net offer critical resources for survival and stability.

Community organizing and activism enjoys a long history in the HIV/AIDS epidemic. It’s about using the power of storytelling to shape attitudes, behaviors, and policies. Women realize that they have a voice and something to contribute. A backstory of shame and struggle can become a testament to the ability that we all possess to remake our lives in the wake of life’s traumas. Civic and political engagement is about using gifts and talents that may have been previously ignored in the service of the greater good. People living with HIV have opportunities to teach, to break down barriers, to confront stigma, and to help us end this epidemic. They have the potential to make major contributions to our world because that community has already done so time and time again. And they inspire us to think about what other hidden and underutilized voices are out there.

Q. How does REMAKING A LIFE fit into the discussion of our American healthcare system and the debates around social services today?
The HIV system of care offers some valuable lessons. The Ryan White Care Act passed with bipartisan support in 1990 and it still continues to enjoy bipartisan support. Republican and Democratic presidents have made important contributions to the HIV safety net in the US and abroad. In the wake of our opioid crisis, Senator Elizabeth Warren and Congressman Elijah Cummings introduced legislation to help communities grappling with opioid epidemics that was modeled off the Ryan White Care Act. President Trump has now declared that he would like to see an end to the epidemic in the US by the year 2030.

That doesn’t mean that politicians haven’t put their own ideological spin on HIV/AIDS policy, sometimes in ways that were contrary to the scientific evidence. But my hope is that this issue continues to have bipartisan support focused on ending the epidemic. My hope is that we can think of the broader healthcare system in similar ways.

In the book, I grapple with the unfortunate irony of my analysis and its policy implications. Many women who were struggling with poverty and other serious issues did not receive assistance under after their HIV diagnosis. That says that our societal safety net has been perversely shaped to intervene only when people are already deeply injured or assumed to pose a threat to public health. The fire had to be raging before we installed the fire extinguisher.

So I also hope that we challenge the idea that social services and safety nets are inherently problematic. Because of political rhetoric, we’ve been conditioned to believe that every form of assistance is a handout that serves as a hammock rather than a ladder. I’ve seen in my research that the opposite is often true. The services provided through the HIV safety net offer critical resources for survival and stability.

Q&A Courtesy of University of California Press

ABOUT THE AUTHOR Celeste Watkins-Hayes is Professor of Sociology and African American Studies, and Faculty Fellow at the Institute for Policy Research at Northwestern University. She is also the author of The New Welfare Bureaucrats: Entanglements of Race, Class, and Policy Reform.

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